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    • #584
      jade39339
      Participant

      Hi,

      I’m from the states (Morton Grove, IL) and am interested in building the Morgan 3D printer. I would like to use the Morgan design as a stepping stone to later build a laser 3D sintering system such as Andreas has done (http://andreasbastian.com/3dp/3dp.html), but that’s getting the cart before the horse. Currently, I’m sourcing the parts and getting the electronics and steppers at this point. I look forward to digging in and building my printer.

      One of my questions which I haven’t seen an answer yet, can I buy selective parts, such as the plastic gearing I see attached to the stepper motors or do I just need to make it by hand?

      I won’t need all the parts, which I think I can source, only a selective few that are special. Will you be selling partial kits?

    • #586
      Quentin Harley
      Keymaster

      I recommend you get someone to print the plastic parts for you. Going the repstrap route is an adventure, but can take a very long time to get every found piece working together.

      I can do it for you for $50 plus shipping, but prepare for shipping to cost much more than the parts… South Africa is far far away…

    • #594
      jade39339
      Participant

      Hi,

      Thanks for the quick response. I’ll see what I can get done for now with my limited funds. I’m thinking about using LEXAN 72 in. x 36 in. sheets and gluing them together to get the thickness of the parts and then machining the parts out of them that way. Sort of like whittling wood, but with band saw, drill press, dremel tool, etc… . Does this sound like a viable options and do you think I would get the desired stiffness in the final part?

      Mike B.

    • #595
      Quentin Harley
      Keymaster

      It should be fine – at least until you can print yourself a set of parts.

      Good luck!
      Q

    • #612
      knarfishness
      Participant

      Hey Mike,

      I’m not very far from you, if you need any Morgan parts printed, just let me know.

      We also process orders through MakeXYZ, if you’d like to go that route: http://www.makexyz.com/printer/dpr

    • #616
      jade39339
      Participant

      Hi,

      Thanks for the information. I checked out your site and it looks very nice. I priced some parts on it so I have an idea regarding how much it will cost me. I’ll probably end up having the arms for the Morgan made somewhere and I’ll keep you in mind. Right now I’m trying to get the necessary electronics all rounded up at the moment. I’m working on getting my motors this week. Next week I’ll start on the electronics.

    • #634
      jade39339
      Participant

      Ok, so more questions to Quentin,

      Not sure if this is already answered, but what should the size/scale of the DXF files be? When I import them into Sketchup, they come out to something like 18-19 ft or in meters something like 5791 mm. What should they be for both the OpenHW_Universal-XPlate and platform_cutting?

      Mike

    • #635
      jade39339
      Participant

      Also, forgot to ask. What is the thickness of the DXF parts?

    • #636
      Blaze_1
      Participant

      The DXF files are in mm. I had the same problem initially. If you select options when importing the dxf you can select mm as the scale.(I missed it the first time around, its right to the side of the file select menu after you select import) My measurements in sketchup show 400mm x 460mm for the platform and 220mm x 220mm for the X plate.

      Can’t answer to the thickness, probably 1/4″ if you’re going plywood for the platform.

      -Remy

    • #638
      jade39339
      Participant

      Thanks for the quick response and info, must appreciated!

      Mike

    • #651
      Blaze_1
      Participant

      Not a problem Mike, glad to help. I know that issue got under my skin.

      Frank, I might be reaching out to you for a set of printed parts as well. I’m in Bloomington, IL so i’m not too far either. Looking forward to seeing how your build comes out.

      It’s really exciting to see so many of us in the midwest building Morgans!

      -Remy

    • #652
      jade39339
      Participant

      How long are the 2 smooth 8mm rods suppose to be?

    • #659
      Quentin Harley
      Keymaster

      440mm

    • #678
      jade39339
      Participant

      Hi again,

      So I’m going the route of the 8mm x 330mm lead screw verses the special setup you’ve done, because of sourcing issue for that part. It’s unclear to me though at the moment how this is being driven mechanically. Can you offer any insight as to how the stepper is attached to the lead screw or is it self apparent once I print the parts? Could you upload a picture of the back and underside of the RepRap Morgan for a fully functioning machine?

      I guess I’m having problems visualizing how this is going to work.

      Mike B.

    • #688
      jade39339
      Participant

      Hi Quentin,

      Got some more questions for you.

      1. Would I get more accuracy if I use a 0.9 degree motor for the Z axis and would this cause problems?

      2. I’m also thinking about making the extruder motor also 0.9 degrees. What are your thoughts on this?

      Mike

    • #700
      Quentin Harley
      Keymaster

      If you use 0.9 throughout it should not be a problem.

    • #702
      jade39339
      Participant

      Thanks for the fast reply.

    • #703
      jade39339
      Participant

      I’m having trouble opening the OpenHW_Universal-XPlate.dxf file under the master branch in LibreCAD, is anyone else having the same issue with this file?

    • #704
      jade39339
      Participant

      Once again, nevermind. I determined that if I try to selectively pull files from the Github web interface in my Firefox, it saves them in an altered format, and not the original format. I ended up re-downloading a new ZIP file of the entire master build and was able to load all the DXF files just fine after that.

    • #711
      jade39339
      Participant

      As god is my witness, I cannot saw a straight line cut if my life depended on it.

      Oh well, making the base and top from plywood this weekend.

    • #716
      Quentin Harley
      Keymaster

      Have somebody else do the straight cuts for you!

      My local builders supply shop has a nice wall mounted radial saw that makes light work of perfectly squared cuts

    • #724
      jade39339
      Participant

      Hi Quentin,

      Could you contact me and tell me how much you would charge for sourcing the Morgan STL’s parts (8mm) through you?

    • #800
      jade39339
      Participant

      How long of GT2 timing belt do I need for both X/Y stepper wheels? I bought a 1100mm belt, will this be long enough for both?

    • #806
      Quentin Harley
      Keymaster

      I normally use a meter, so you should have more than enough

    • #807
      jade39339
      Participant

      Thanks Quentin!

      I’m getting my parts printed this coming week over here (http://uk-3d.com/) in the UK for £ 0.1 cm3. I’ll let you know how they turn out.

      Things are starting to come together and I’m chaffing at the bit to start putting stuff together…

      Mike

    • #1032
      jade39339
      Participant

      Hooray! My parts have shipped! Waiting for them to arrive now!

    • #1033
      hoff70
      Participant

      Good news! I thought you were in the states?

    • #1034
      jade39339
      Participant

      I am, I found a guy in the U.K. (David) http://www.uk-3d.com/ that offered to do them for $0.15 cm3. It seemed like a good deal, only thing was I had to wait longer. So now I’m waiting for my parts to arrive to see how they turned out.

    • #1035
      hoff70
      Participant

      So how much was the total if you don’t mind me asking? The parts are rather big and I used a lot of filament on mine,

    • #1036
      jade39339
      Participant

      About $140 – $160 total, I’m still waiting for the shipping charges to show up. It’s still cheaper than the states, at least that’s what I found so far. I’d wait and see the quality of the parts before you order anything from him. I may be surprised, but at this point I don’t have any reason to believe that I will get bad parts. I’m going to post all the parts online when I receive it.

    • #1051
      Quentin Harley
      Keymaster

      How much filament did you use?

      Morgan is a bit overweight at the moment – a bit over-engineered. I am whittling down on the parts… Soon you will be able to print new morgans and replacement upgrades that will be a lot lighter on filament.

    • #1057
      jade39339
      Participant

      The final total for parts + shipping is around $170 from http://uk-3d.com/.

    • #1256
      jade39339
      Participant

      How should the linear bearings sit in the arms? There are 2 raised ridges inside the Z-axis arms. I’ve tried to place both bearing between the ridges, only to find they will not fit. If I place each bearing in the middle of each ridge, they are not aligned correctly for the Z-axis rods. Can you either show me how they should fit in mechanically or explain it to me better?

      Sincerely,

      Mike Beauford

    • #1257
      Quentin Harley
      Keymaster

      The ridges are intended to sit in the rings cut out of the LMxUU bearing bodies. Takes a bit of force to get them in, but afterwards they do not fall down the smooth rods.

      I will get a picture for you later today.
      Q

    • #1262
      jade39339
      Participant

      Hi Quentin,

      Any update on this?

      Mike Beauford

    • #1264
      hoff70
      Participant

      I used a vise with a block of wood and a socket about the same size as the bearings to press mine in. They were pretty snug.

    • #1266
      Quentin Harley
      Keymaster

      Sorry about the wait… Got sidetracked

      Bearing placement

    • #1267
      Ron Hunt
      Participant

      8mm bearing

      Little late

    • #1270
      Quentin Harley
      Keymaster

      Beat you to it by 3 minutes!

    • #1273
      Ron Hunt
      Participant

      I had the same issue. I used the cut off end (downfall) from the rods and worked the bearing into their seats. It took some work to get the bearings both seated and aligned. Using the scrap piece of rod really helped give me leverage without being concerned about damaging the rods themselves

    • #1274
      jade39339
      Participant

      Thanks for the tip. I’ll try that when I get back home.

    • #1421
      jade39339
      Participant

      Still chugging along with my build. Had other projects that got in the way, but are now starting to wind down.

      http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/ae28/jade39339/WP_20131006_006_zpscc3da57c.jpg

      Here’s my latest pic. I noticed when putting my frame together I ran into to issues. 1) the M4 nuts embedded within the PVC come when I was putting the stand together. I ended up drilling a 1/2 hole in order to get the nut out and re-seat it. Tell me there’s got to be a better way to design this so that this doesn’t happen to other people. 2) The PVC pipes are under a lot of stress, is this by design?

      Mike Beauford

    • #1423
      Quentin Harley
      Keymaster

      Right!

      1) I am thinking of using something like this in future:

      Real captive nuts

      It will bite into the plastic, and should not just drop put like the normal M4s

      2) Yes, the pipes are under stress by design. PVC is very strong and flexible, but not stable enough to keep the platform still by themselves. By stressing the pipes the structure becomes rigid.

    • #1436
      jade39339
      Participant

      Hi Quentin,

      Got another question for you. Regarding the 4 PVC support pipes. Are they suppose to touch each other on the sides? If you look at the picture up above of my setup, where the pipes cross at the middle part of the X is where they touch, is this by design or should they not touch?

      Mike

    • #1437
      Quentin Harley
      Keymaster

      By design the pipes try to occupy the same space, making them flex around each other.

      PVC is cheap, tough as nails and available worldwide. The only problem with using PVC as a structural element is that it is too flexible, making for floppy structures. If you stress them, the structure firms up because the PVC does not want to flex more without a fight.

      It is reasonably tough to get the screw of the last pipe to get connected at the top. I normally grab it with my hand, including the smooth rod in the grasp. This allows me to put it until the hole lines up for the placement of the last screw.

    • #1465
      Quentin Harley
      Keymaster

      Yes, give it a shot. You can print replacements later. You can also use something like Pratley putty to fix it. Remove one of the screws on the other platform the remove the stress, fix, and wait the recommended hour. You should be able to lift a bulldozer on the resultant fix.

    • #1466
      Blaze_1
      Participant

      That happened to me after the first time I took the frame apart. Super glued it and it’s solid as a rock, just as Q said.

    • #1467
      jade39339
      Participant

      Thanks Quentin for the info, I’ll give it a shot and let you know how it goes.

    • #1155
      jade39339
      Participant

      Just got my printed parts, now I’m aiming to start assembling it after next week.

    • #1271
      jade39339
      Participant

      Thanks guys. So the issue I’m seeing is when I do line them up on the ridges inside, 1 or both of the bearings seem to be mis-aligned on the rod. They do not slide smoothly at all, and sliding the rod up and down on the shaft produces a scraping sound. Should the linear bearings just self align or do I have a set of brand new bearings that are bad?

      Any ideas?

    • #1462
      jade39339
      Participant

      Hi Quentin,

      Found out why my platform was rocking and seemed to be a little loose. It looks like one of my ported ends on the rear PVC pipe snapped off its base.

      http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/ae28/jade39339/WP_20131009_005_zpsaf7f0412.jpg

      Do you think I can re-glue it with super glue to get it to hold and re-attach?

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